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Rick Wise/Indians-Red Sox Game 2 Chat
2007-10-13 15:23
by Josh Wilker
 

 
"All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and men at last are forced to face with sober senses the real conditions of their lives and their relations with their fellow men." – Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto

Here is a portrait of a man on the brink of oblivion. Like all great art, this piece expands the conventional bounds of its genre, transcending the strictly figurative representation that was the function of late twentieth century baseball card portraiture with both the abstract wash of colors in the background and the apparent slight but jarring distortion of the body in the foreground. The figure, "Wise," seems to have unusually long legs and wide hips in relation to the short torso and short arms, this distortion of the human form a seeming allusion to the powerful-legged, spindly-armed Tyrannosaurus Rex, which in turn gives the portrait overtones of great, fearsome power nullified by the certainty of extinction. This theme of extinction is furthered in the blurring in the background of what viewers at the time of the artwork would understand contextually to be the crowd, a gathering assembled for the purpose of cheering for and cursing and exalting and even in a crude way praying for and thus making sacred game-playing participants such as the one pictured here, "Wise." The blurring of all faces in the crowd, coupled with the look of apprehension on the face of Wise and the aforementioned anatomical distortion of his features, creates a sense of ending, of things once solid melting into air. No faces can be seen in the crowd, only here and there among the shapeless colors small soft-edged spheres, the motif perhaps an attempt on the part of the artist to contradict the allusions to the famous quote above with intimations of an afterlife, as if the orbs were souls able to carry something of the individual beyond the inevitable cessation of earthly life, of flesh. Less ambiguous than the mysterious orbs is the fate of the central figure, Wise, whose allegorical name in this context, coupled with his obvious inability to cease the dissipation of the crowd (and, by extension, the dissipation of meaning, for what is a game with no crowd?) seems to offer a bracing commentary on the limitations of the rational mind, of human wisdom. There will come a moment when all we know won’t mean anything. Wise seems to be verging on this moment. He is either looking around to see if there is anywhere where things are still solid or he is looking back, trying to find a place and time he can cling to, something that will never melt into air.

If he is looking back, what is the object of his gaze? What can we cling to in our last moment? The portrait offers no clue, but on the back of this card (where artisans who created these works supplemented the portraits on the front of the cards with intricate numerology and text), there is a cartoon of a ballplayer without thick glasses and with a broad smile (free of limitations and sadness), looking at a scoreboard that tells the tale of a victory. Above the cartoon is the following line of text, which according to experts in the interpretation of the back of the card numerology is exceedingly far-fetched, the stuff of a fairy tale, suggesting that all we have in the end are fairy tales, slim, brilliant moments that are too good to ever have been true:

"Rick hurled no-hitter for Phillies vs. Reds, 6-23-71, and hit 2 homers in the game."

Comments (338)
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2007-10-13 15:33:15
1.   Josh Wilker
The lineups for tonight's game:

Indians
G. Sizemore cf
A. Cabrera 2b
T. Hafner dh
V. Martinez c
R. Garko 1b
J. Peralta ss
K. Lofton lf
F. Gutierrez rf
C. Blake 3b

F. Carmona, p


Red Sox
D. Pedroia 2b
K. Youkilis 1b
D. Ortiz dh
M. Ramirez lf
M. Lowell 3b
J.D. Drew rf
J. Varitek c
C. Crisp cf
J. Lugo ss

C. Schilling, p

2007-10-13 16:20:25
2.   Bluebleeder87
if anything I hope the Indians versus the BoSox series goes all the way
2007-10-13 16:33:18
3.   Josh Wilker
I hope it's a sweep, but my feeling is it'll be a long tough series.
2007-10-13 17:12:27
4.   spudrph
The Rick Wise essay/parody is brilliant.

Is everybody else's local Fox affiliate as idiotic as mine is?

2007-10-13 17:17:20
5.   spudrph
Really, Tim? You were a catcher? I would think you would have mentioned it before now.
2007-10-13 17:19:36
6.   KG16
4 - I dunno, mine continues to have Kevin Kennedy, Eric Karros, Joe Buck, and Tim McCarver provide "insight".
2007-10-13 17:27:49
7.   spudrph
I kept hearing the "great postseason pitcher" talk about Curt, but I had no idea how good until I finally saw the numbers. Small sample size, but there is something to be said about going 9-2 with a sub 2 ERA in postseason games.
2007-10-13 17:29:20
8.   cinciwife
I don't mean to be repetative, but I am not sure I get the whole pearl thing yet... Am I the only one who thinks it's odd to wear pearls to an at bat?
2007-10-13 17:29:44
9.   fordprefect
4 6
I can live with Buck (ecch, that sounds sick) but McCarver makes my insides want to turn themselves outside.
2007-10-13 17:31:40
10.   spudrph
Did anyone else see what Bob Ryan wrote about the Foul Ball Kid? He was critical of the Red Sox for having him throw out the first pitch, sniffing that people should be taught to never interfere with a ball that a fielder has a play on.

I don't agree-everyone knows the rule.

2007-10-13 17:32:04
11.   KG16
7 - while I'm guessing most in the toasterverse would discount post-season numbers, I tend to be impressed by them because it shows what a player has done against the better teams.
2007-10-13 17:33:56
12.   spudrph
8 Only if they don't match your spikes.

In all seriousness, the opponent can ask that you remove jewelry, etc if you think it is distracting.

2007-10-13 17:35:40
13.   Bob Timmermann
From Cleveland.com on 8/29:

Clubhouse confidential: No, that's not a pearl necklace that second baseman Asdrubal Cabrera wears. It's a necklace of beads that his wife, Lismar, made for him.

They were married in December in Venezuela. "It's good luck for me," said Cabrera.

2007-10-13 17:36:10
14.   KG16
Wow, James Taylor seems, um, high reading the line up
2007-10-13 17:37:52
15.   spudrph
11 Toasterverse. I like it.

I would shy away from saying that it means one is somehow able to get superfocused and get all veterany and clutchy on us.

It does represent performing well in critical situations against high quality opposition.

I guess we in the toasterverse would not dismiss postseason success, but just call it a data point, to be placed in context like all good data points.

2007-10-13 17:38:20
16.   Andrew Shimmin
Fox wouldn't let him wear his reading glasses on air. And they didn't time to print up a large type edition of the lineup.
2007-10-13 17:38:58
17.   KG16
Hey Tim, 55 hasn't been the speed limit for 12 years.
2007-10-13 17:39:51
18.   Bluebleeder87
14

His singing voice is so soothing slash relaxing.

2007-10-13 17:40:45
19.   Andrew Shimmin
Slash saccharine slash coma-inducing.
2007-10-13 17:42:01
20.   spudrph
Papi and the Bad Man: 36 postseason PA, 7 outs. Ouch.
2007-10-13 17:43:23
21.   Bluebleeder87
Carmonas sinker is like D-Lowe's but on steriod, wow.
2007-10-13 17:44:10
22.   cinciwife
13 Thanks for the info. That makes sense now. It's sweet now that I know that. It was just so strange to see at first.

12 They don't match, but he makes the ensemble work.

2007-10-13 17:44:25
23.   spudrph
It seems like a patient team like the Yankees would have been able to do this against Carmona, too.

It strikes me that Carmona's money pitch isn't a strike a lot of the time. Could it be that easy?

2007-10-13 17:44:29
24.   KG16
15 - I think the psychological element of the post-season gets overlooked in statistical analysis.

I forget who wrote it, but there was a column recently saying that there could be a negative side of "experience in the playoffs" - mainly using the example of A-Rod and the undying pressure of the NY media. I think another example would have been the Red Sox prior to winning the World Series, it always seemed like the team would lose it, mentally, as soon as one thing went wrong.

2007-10-13 17:45:58
25.   KG16
23 - the key to beating a sinker baller is to avoid swinging at the sinker. A good sinker rarely will be a called strike.
2007-10-13 17:47:34
26.   spudrph
Well, inducing that GIDP was a clever trick.
2007-10-13 17:51:49
27.   KG16
Curt does not seem to be fooling these fine young men from Cleveland. Everyone is making good contact.
2007-10-13 17:52:04
28.   spudrph
24 I think that's just it. Psychological factors can't be quantified, so they are not amenable to analysis.

What passes for explanation from people like McCarver is what raises my hackles, though-saying that Schilling's postseason success is due to the fact that his veteraniness and clutchiness makes him immune to pressure.

He's sure not looking very clutchy right now.

2007-10-13 17:52:34
29.   KG16
I really hope Ned Colletti is not watching this game with the sound on.
2007-10-13 17:52:42
30.   Bluebleeder87
25

your comment kind of doesn't sound right, I'd rather let the sinker go deep into the strike zone & take it the other way. Carmonas sinker is just flat out SICK & I will agree (if that's what you meant) that Carmonas sinker is rearely a strike in the early going, I haven't seen much of him to be confident at what I'm saying tough.

2007-10-13 17:52:46
31.   Mike Carminati
Hey,McCarver knows who's in the NL west.
2007-10-13 17:53:06
32.   Josh Wilker
24 : The Red Sox pre-'04 did seem to let the weight of history become a factor. Living in NYC in '94, I followed the NY Rangers throw off a long drought in part by having Messier stare straight at history and say "bring it on." Schilling helped the Red Sox do that in '04. I think Schilling's post-season numbers do mean something, but I also think the hype lately about it is a tad overblown.
2007-10-13 17:55:09
33.   KG16
30 - I'm speaking in generalities. The sinker is a pitch, like the split finger, that, in my opinion is effective because of it's late break. If you can sit on those pitches and drive them, absolutely.
2007-10-13 17:56:20
34.   spudrph
You're right, though, Curt seems less than mysterious.
2007-10-13 18:03:42
35.   cinciwife
Josh and I have been looking at Kenny Lofton and noting that he has played for about a million teams. We were wondering, who holds that record? The guy who has played for the most teams. We figured you experts would know...
2007-10-13 18:05:53
36.   Bluebleeder87
I haven't looked at the #'s (I'll look them up as soon as I finish typing this) but I can almost be sure that a guy like Mike Lowell has pretty mediocre #'s against Carmona just in the fact that Lowell is a pull hitter, maybe I'm wrong but I'll check out the #'s right now.
2007-10-13 18:08:35
37.   Bluebleeder87
I just checked at Mike Lowell hasn't faced Carmona but traditionally pull hitters don't do to well against sinker ballers.
2007-10-13 18:11:45
38.   Bluebleeder87
35

I think his last name is Morgan (his last name escapes me at the moment)

2007-10-13 18:15:23
39.   Bluebleeder87
38

err, that should be his first name escapes me at the moment. shooting for 4-4

2007-10-13 18:15:39
40.   spudrph
38 Are you thinking of Mike Morgan? He pitched for like 15 or 16 teams or something silly like that.
2007-10-13 18:17:23
41.   spudrph
Reminds me of that old Nolan Ryan joke, "that sounded low, Ump."
2007-10-13 18:20:47
42.   Mike Carminati
40 Yeah, it's Morgan with 12:

http://mikesrants.baseballtoaster.com/archives/6522.html

2007-10-13 18:21:27
43.   Mike Carminati
Zeile ended up playing with 12 if you count his two stints with the Mets separately.
2007-10-13 18:23:56
44.   spudrph
Mike Morgan: Oakland, Yankees, Toronto, Seattle, Baltimore, Dodgers, Cubs, St. Louis, Cincinnati, Minnesota, Texas, Arizona
2007-10-13 18:26:29
45.   spudrph
That's a special kind of ability-good enough to get a job, just never good enough to keep one very long. Like a very beautiful woman who is also very annoying-gets a lot of applicants, but no one ever takes the job.
2007-10-13 18:27:10
46.   Sam DC
I'm taken to understand that Carmona pitches inside to right handed batters.
2007-10-13 18:28:27
47.   Mike Carminati
By the way, if Lofton's two Cleveland stints count separately he is the answer to the trivia. If not, he shares it with david Wells. Here are the players with the appearances in the postseason with the most teams (through 2006):

Player CountOfteamID
David Wells 6
Kenny Lofton 6
Danny Jackson 5
Ellis Burks 5
Bobby Bonilla 5
Don Baylor 5
Rickey Henderson 5
John Olerud 5
Alan Embree 5
Reggie Sanders 5

2007-10-13 18:30:23
48.   Mike Carminati
That's why I hate the shift.
2007-10-13 18:31:56
49.   Bluebleeder87
46

that's just not fair, even if you wanted to hit it, forget about it, just sick.

2007-10-13 18:33:00
50.   spudrph
David Wells with six? New York. Toronto. Boston. What were the others?
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2007-10-13 18:36:52
51.   Bluebleeder87
I wonder if Darren Dreiforts sinker was that nasty when he first came up.
2007-10-13 18:37:46
52.   Mike Carminati
50 Cincinnati, Baltimore, San Diego.
2007-10-13 18:38:01
53.   Bluebleeder87
50

Pads & Dodgers also but I don't know the sixth one.

2007-10-13 18:38:52
54.   Bluebleeder87
52

Cincy & Baltimore?? that's news to me, I guess in his early career?

2007-10-13 18:39:03
55.   spudrph
Thank you, Baseballreference.com

Wells in the postseason: New York, San Diego, Toronto, Boston, Cincinnati, Baltimore.

2007-10-13 18:40:02
56.   Bluebleeder87
well Lowell got a hit going the other way, he almost broke his bat in the process but he got 'er done.
2007-10-13 18:41:14
57.   spudrph
Never with the Dodgers.

Reds was 1995, Orioles was 1996.

2007-10-13 18:41:31
58.   Bluebleeder87
I'd be offended if I had Hefners Nick.
2007-10-13 18:42:41
59.   Mike Carminati
53 He never went to the postseason with LA.

54 Cincy in 95, O's in 96 (the year before he went to the Yankees). He's kicked around a bit.

2007-10-13 18:43:27
60.   Mike Carminati
55 I didn't use B-R.
2007-10-13 18:48:11
61.   KG16
wow, that went really far.
2007-10-13 18:48:43
62.   Bluebleeder87
Schillings PVL didn't help out much with that 3 run jack from Peralta.
2007-10-13 18:49:44
63.   KG16
62 - nor with letting the two men get on before the hit.
2007-10-13 18:50:27
64.   cinciwife
Schilling's all smoke and mirrors now, and the smoke's getting thin.
2007-10-13 18:53:04
65.   Sam DC
Somewhere Weisman is humming, Whoops Jhonny Jhonny Jhonny whoops . . .
2007-10-13 18:54:28
66.   cinciwife
64 We are getting our wires crossed here. That comment about Schilling is from Josh, not cinciwife...
2007-10-13 19:01:49
67.   Bluebleeder87
man, I'd hate being mic'd I'm pretty sure MLB forses them to get mic'd right!?
2007-10-13 19:02:51
68.   spudrph
60 Then your memory is way, way better than mine. I didn't recall Cincinnati making it in 1995.
2007-10-13 19:05:19
69.   spudrph
Dude is nasty.
2007-10-13 19:07:23
70.   Mike Carminati
68 I have more direct sources that B-R, is what I meant.
2007-10-13 19:08:12
71.   Mike Carminati
Schilling's breaking stuff is looking awfully flat.
2007-10-13 19:09:06
72.   Bluebleeder87
70

show off.... :o)

2007-10-13 19:10:20
73.   spudrph
Don't nibble, Curt.
2007-10-13 19:11:39
74.   spudrph
oh, jeepers.
2007-10-13 19:11:40
75.   Mike Carminati
Don't they have to get Schilling soon? It's looking like BP out there.
2007-10-13 19:11:41
76.   Mike Carminati
Don't they have to get Schilling soon? It's looking like BP out there.
2007-10-13 19:12:21
77.   Bluebleeder87
Mike Lowell is Terry Pendelton-esk at 3rd.
2007-10-13 19:13:04
78.   spudrph
Or maybe you just shouldn't pitch at all. Just hold onto the ball, and make them come get it from you.
2007-10-13 19:14:45
79.   Bluebleeder87
Schilling has Loney type legs. Were they bend out ward from the knees down.
2007-10-13 19:14:46
80.   Mike Carminati
MLB.com has that Sizemore pitch clocked at 88.7 MPH with a 4" break. That was either a slow fastball or a non-breaking breaking pitch with a bit extra on it. Whatever it was, it's gone.
2007-10-13 19:15:28
81.   Mike Carminati
78 Worked for the Yankees in the Bad News Bears.
2007-10-13 19:18:34
82.   Mike Carminati
Schilling is not showing much difference between his fastball and breaking pitches according to MLB.com's Gameday numbers. His fastball is in the mid to upper 80s and his breaking pitches in the low to mid 80s. Francona is channeling Grady Little here sticking with this guy.
2007-10-13 19:18:44
83.   Bluebleeder87
That's all she wrote for Schilling.
2007-10-13 19:19:12
84.   cinciwife
67 I said the same thing just a few minutes ago. There is no way MLB would air me.
2007-10-13 19:19:46
85.   Bluebleeder87
82

Francona seems a bit quicker with the trigger though, just a bit.

2007-10-13 19:23:18
86.   Mike Carminati
85 He doesn't have Pedro Martinez as a pitching coach.
2007-10-13 19:25:49
87.   Josh Wilker
Manny Delcarmen's living his dream: he grew up a Red Sox fan outside Boston. He's got nasty stuff, too.
2007-10-13 19:29:57
88.   Sam DC
(Big 1:33 here for Cal)
2007-10-13 19:32:16
89.   spudrph
87 Don't you mean he's living OUR dream?
2007-10-13 19:34:10
90.   Bob Timmermann
88
(Shh, it's the Pac-10....)
2007-10-13 19:34:32
91.   Bluebleeder87
David Ortiz has some pretty decent (sp) wheels for a big dude.
2007-10-13 19:36:00
92.   Sam DC
(on Versus no less)
2007-10-13 19:37:18
93.   spudrph
There goes the Bad Man again....
2007-10-13 19:39:08
94.   Bluebleeder87
that was a short lived lead by the tribe...
2007-10-13 19:39:16
95.   spudrph
And Mike Lowell's pretty good, too...
2007-10-13 19:39:23
96.   Bob Timmermann
We could face a situation where the Red Sox win the World Series, the Patriots win the Super Bowl, and Boston College win the BCS.

That could be hard to take.

2007-10-13 19:39:46
97.   spudrph
Chase Wright, please pick up the white courtesy phone.....
2007-10-13 19:39:57
98.   Mike Carminati
Nobody seems to have their good stuff. What is it, 50 degrees in Boston tonight?
2007-10-13 19:40:20
99.   Sam DC
(Ugly end on Versus)
2007-10-13 19:41:25
100.   Bluebleeder87
does Boston even know J.D. Drew even exists? the guy is having a horrible year & I don't think Bostonians even know it.
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2007-10-13 19:42:05
101.   Sam DC
96 No faith in Kevin Garnett?
2007-10-13 19:42:16
102.   Bluebleeder87
96

we did that in '88 no Bob (L.A. did it)

2007-10-13 19:42:16
103.   spudrph
Rafael Perez, meet Jose Mesa. Jose Mesa, this is Rafael Perez.
2007-10-13 19:42:22
104.   Bob Timmermann
The line between hero and goat is often a thin one.
2007-10-13 19:43:28
105.   Ken Arneson
99 Aaaaaaaaarrrrgh! That was a more stupid brain cramp than Eric Byrnes and Miguel Tejada combined.
2007-10-13 19:43:47
106.   Josh Wilker
I just want to let everyone know I may have turned this game around by turning my Red Sox hat backwards just prior to Manny's blast.
2007-10-13 19:44:21
107.   Bob Timmermann
105
The ghost of Roy Riegels laughs.
2007-10-13 19:47:25
108.   Derek Smart
105 As an Oregon native, I apologize profusely.

Or is it gloat?

Or is it 'wonder what this game with the oddly shaped ball is about'?

2007-10-13 19:48:32
109.   KG16
so, it appears that doing a top 25 in football this year just requires picking 25 teams from a hat and putting them in a list.

101 - well, at least Anaheim has a decent shot at keeping the Stanley Cup, right?

2007-10-13 19:48:58
110.   Bob Timmermann
I think the eyes of America will be glued to the Boston College-South Florida BCS Championship game.
2007-10-13 19:49:38
111.   Bob Timmermann
109
The Boston Bruins certainly aren't going to win the Stanley Cup.
2007-10-13 19:51:02
112.   spudrph
It appears there was another college football upset? Can someone summarize for we ignorant Easterners?
2007-10-13 19:52:53
113.   Bluebleeder87
Lofton's bad died a hero...
2007-10-13 19:53:59
114.   Mike Carminati
Can someone talk about baseball? We have a 605 game with men at the corners and one out here. I don;t need to hear about inferior sports. And Anaheim won the Stanley Cup? They still play hockey?
2007-10-13 19:54:44
115.   Ken Arneson
107 The worst part that I was holding my 3-month-old and frightened her when I yelled at the TV, and I made her cry. So not only am I suffering that awful loss, I feel terribly guilty on top of it.

I am consoling myself with the fact that there is no way Cal is the best team in the country anyway. Their defense is way too soft for a #1 team.

2007-10-13 19:55:02
116.   Mike Carminati
Sorry, that was none out and 6-5.
2007-10-13 19:55:05
117.   Bob Timmermann
112
Oregon State beat #2 Cal in Berkeley 31-28. OSU lead 31-21 with 4 minutes to go. Cal scored on a long TD pass with about 2 1/2 minutes to go. OSU recovered the onside kick, but Cal forced a punt. Cal managed to get all the way to the OSU 12 and then this play transpired:

1st and 10 at OSU 12
Kevin Riley rush for 3 yards to the OrgSt 9.

Cal had no timeouts.

-30-

2007-10-13 19:56:11
118.   KG16
114 - just taking our cues from the play-by-play guys.
2007-10-13 19:56:22
119.   Bob Timmermann
Gutierrez with an Olney RBI!
2007-10-13 19:56:54
120.   spudrph
Ah, yes, a Productive Out. How gutty.
2007-10-13 19:57:25
121.   Mike Carminati
118 You are trying to emulate McCarver and Buck?!?!
2007-10-13 19:57:49
122.   Bob Timmermann
114
I can send you an Anaheim Ducks Stanley Cup winner t-shirt if you'd like.
2007-10-13 19:57:50
123.   KG16
120 - better than a strike out for the Indians
2007-10-13 19:58:23
124.   KG16
121 - relax man, it was a joke.
2007-10-13 19:58:26
125.   Derek Smart
This is exactly the kind of thing I was hoping for from this series (though, I'm sure, far from yours, Josh). Lots of back and forth, lots of fun, always in doubt.
2007-10-13 19:58:31
126.   Bob Timmermann
121
So who will be starting Game 6? Let's discuss that for a while...
2007-10-13 19:59:30
127.   Bluebleeder87
Casey Blake looks so much like Hendy of the Dodgers.
2007-10-13 20:00:17
128.   Derek Smart
125 "though, I'm sure, far from yours, Josh"

somewhere in my head, I had the word 'ideal', and it made all that make much more sense. Shame it never actually made it to the post itself.

2007-10-13 20:00:33
129.   Bob Timmermann
Buck said "Ham Fighters."

He's dead to me!

Dead to me!

2007-10-13 20:02:04
130.   Sam DC
We could do a few minutes on how Carmona works inside to right-handed batters.
2007-10-13 20:02:09
131.   Bob Timmermann
The list has been updated:
http://griddle.baseballtoaster.com/archives/317999.html
2007-10-13 20:03:08
132.   Josh Wilker
129 : Dammit, I raced to the computer to note this, but alas I was too late.
2007-10-13 20:03:12
133.   spudrph
123 That's exactly the point. There's nothing special about productive outs, except that they are not strikeouts. Measuring them or trying to prove something using them is just silly.
2007-10-13 20:03:43
134.   KG16
129 - it took him saying Ham Fighters to get you there? You are much more tolerant than me.
2007-10-13 20:05:12
135.   Bluebleeder87
Asdrubal??? in a million years I couldn't dream up that name.
2007-10-13 20:05:37
136.   Sam DC
131: Harry and David will be pleased they can serve you without fear.
2007-10-13 20:06:53
137.   Derek Smart
129 Why would you fight ham, anyway? It's like a combat gateway drug. First you're fighting ham, then you're trying to beat up some bacon, and eventually you're in a battle with deliciousness itself, and trust me, you don't want to get in a fight with deliciousness.
2007-10-13 20:08:13
138.   KG16
133 - no run scores on a strike out, on that play a run scored, that is a huge difference. it is the difference between being tied and losing the game.
2007-10-13 20:10:14
139.   KG16
133 - and other productive outs create situations where a run is more likely to score. Moving a runner from second to third on the first out of the inning means the runner should score on any ball that is put in play. Moving a runner to second allows a runner to score on most any hit.
2007-10-13 20:10:46
140.   Bluebleeder87
138

Amen brotha...

2007-10-13 20:11:06
141.   Bob Timmermann
135
It wouldn't take a million years to come up with the name Asdrubal, but it was all the rage among elite Carthaginians, 27 centuries ago.

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/hasdrub2.htm

2007-10-13 20:12:09
142.   Bob Timmermann
So was that the first time Buck and McCarver brought up the Yankees tonight?
2007-10-13 20:13:21
143.   Sam DC
You didn't really think Coco Crisp was going to hit a home run, did you?
2007-10-13 20:13:35
144.   Bob Timmermann
Fox Sports needs perspective.

In the literal sense. They shot that flyball from a poor angle.

2007-10-13 20:15:18
145.   Mike Carminati
Justin Lewis? There must be someone whose job it is to correct McCarvers mistakes and malapropisms via his ear piece.
2007-10-13 20:16:10
146.   Mike Carminati
I'd wear a mask if I were a Red Sox fan, too. (That was a joke, by the way.)
2007-10-13 20:20:45
147.   Bob Timmermann
According to my cable box, the postgame show should be wrapping up in about 10 minutes.
2007-10-13 20:26:25
148.   Bob Timmermann
"A run on the market for Japanese relief pitchers," says Ken Rosenthal.

Time to get the SEC to step in. Or the Federal Reserve. There could be a Japanese Reliever Bubble.

2007-10-13 20:32:02
149.   Bob Timmermann
All right, now it's time for "Cops."

Hey, my cable box wouldn't lie to me.

2007-10-13 20:34:18
150.   KG16
148 - I was thinking of making a college football joke, but I don't want to offend the locals
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2007-10-13 20:34:53
151.   Woden325
Is fox sweetening the sound? That liner from Ortiz sounded like a rifle shot.
2007-10-13 20:40:33
152.   KG16
hearing that this guy has screws in his elbow, I thought of the 6 million dollar man, and that got me to thinking, what would it cost today, thanks to the internet I now know that to rebuild Steve Austin today, it would $26.3 mil
2007-10-13 20:40:52
153.   Mike Carminati
150 No, go ahead. I enjoy a good college football joke almost as much as another Frank TV commercial.
2007-10-13 20:42:36
154.   Bob Timmermann
152
Does that take into account the decrease overall in the price of bionic parts? Once a standard caught on and everybody started buying more, bionic arms were just as cheap as DVD players.
2007-10-13 20:42:57
155.   Mike Carminati
Not to overemphasis the outcome of this game, but home teams up 2-0 in a 7-G series win 76% of the time. 1-1 after the first two, the favored team wins 51% of the time.
2007-10-13 20:46:50
156.   Bob Timmermann
Now that I've seen that Avis commercial with the GPS and the Bonnie Tyler song, I can tell that it was filmed on two different freeways.

I've had a lot of time to analyze that commercial.

2007-10-13 20:47:18
157.   Mark T.R. Donohue
I know most of you are now thinking, "Wow, what a game, what teams, this is the real World Series right here.

But I am thinking, "This is it? Really? The Rockies could handle either of these teams no problem."

This is the weirdest year ever.

2007-10-13 20:47:23
158.   KG16
154 - I may need some more research.

155 - I tend to think of game 2 as the third most important in a 7 game series: game 3; game 5; game 2. Of course, this all assumes it doesn't go 7 games, because game 7 would then be the most important.

2007-10-13 20:50:08
159.   Mike Carminati
158 Game 7 usually is pretty important too.
2007-10-13 20:50:23
160.   Mike Carminati
Replace your divets.
2007-10-13 20:50:48
161.   Bob Timmermann
158
I got a bionic arm at Radio Shack last week. I put in the closet for an emergency.
2007-10-13 20:52:09
162.   Mike Carminati
Francona really think Crisp is the best defensive CF he has ever seen? Better than Jones in his prime?
2007-10-13 20:52:18
163.   KG16
Dusty Baker to Cinci, thank you various baseball gods!
2007-10-13 20:52:32
164.   Bob Timmermann
Poor Cincinnati. Poor Cincinnati.

(cue demonic evil villain laugh)

2007-10-13 20:52:51
165.   Raf
Sorry, Reds fans
2007-10-13 20:53:11
166.   Mike Carminati
Dusty Baker and the Reds. That's a match made in heaven.
2007-10-13 20:55:00
167.   Mark T.R. Donohue
If the Giants and Cubs are any indication, a Dusty Baker hire more or less guarantees one ugly playoff flameout and a salted-earth farm system. But, on the other hand, adorable batboys!
2007-10-13 20:57:11
168.   KG16
161 - you're a risk taker. First, buying something from Radio Shack. Second, there's Frink's Principles of Robotics to worry about.
2007-10-13 20:57:31
169.   Bob Timmermann
I don't see how the Reds are going to be able to keep pace with the Cubs next year.

And I can't believe I would think the Cubs are a team anyone would ever have to "keep pace" with.

2007-10-13 20:57:31
170.   overkill94
I'd like to thank the CNN affiliate over here in Italy for giving me some baseball highlights...from yesterday's games. Oh well, back to the channel where topless girls dance around with a bunch of phone numbers on the screen.
2007-10-13 21:00:22
171.   cinciwife
Good god, Dusty Baker, they did not consult me on this decision... I can't stand him and his batboys!!!
2007-10-13 21:02:54
172.   Woden325
"The clock strikes past twelve." Thank you, Captain Eloquent.
2007-10-13 21:03:10
173.   Mike Carminati
Nice change of pace for the K looking!
2007-10-13 21:03:24
174.   KG16
"Lowell having trouble getting around on the fast ball"

Now I hope Colletti is watching with the sound on

2007-10-13 21:03:35
175.   Bob Timmermann
171
There's a Reds fan at Baseball Toaster! Wow!
2007-10-13 21:04:02
176.   Mark T.R. Donohue
167 At this point I suppose Cincinnati fans would welcome being in the playoffs in the first place, even if only as a precondition to a repeat of Game 6 of the '02 World Series or Games 6 & 7 of the '03 NLCS.
2007-10-13 21:04:09
177.   Mike Carminati
This might be the first time we go 2 innings without a run this entire game.
2007-10-13 21:04:10
178.   Mike Carminati
This might be the first time we go 2 innings without a run this entire game.
2007-10-13 21:04:40
179.   cinciwife
170 Yes, I used to live in Holland. "Oh Ja! Bell deze nummer voor de beste sex van je leven." (Oh yes, dial this number for the best sex of your life!!). Hilarious.
2007-10-13 21:06:17
180.   Mark T.R. Donohue
171 Particularly considering how many of us have grudges agaist the Reds for one reason or another. I always dutifully inform people that the Reds are my second-least favorite team after the Yankees, and I don't even remember why anymore -- it's mostly I think because it proves my depth as a baseball fan that I have a second-least-favorite team.

Although the Diamondbacks (or more specifically their fans) are really running up (or down?) the charts the postseason.

2007-10-13 21:07:17
181.   cinciwife
175 Yeah, and I am NOT happy about this! He really gets under my skin.
2007-10-13 21:07:39
182.   Bluebleeder87
179

how can you even get in the mood when you don't understand the language though!?

2007-10-13 21:09:25
183.   Bluebleeder87
180

it's a 2nd generation thing with me, my dad respected there great play but didn't like 'em much cause they rocked in the 70's, dad was a Dodger fan also.

2007-10-13 21:09:39
184.   overkill94
179 I guess it's good that I can't read Italian. Unfortunately, the show is now over, so there's absolutely nothing worth watching on.

When I was in Venice the other night, there were no less than 7 channels showing late-night phone number nudity shows.

2007-10-13 21:10:59
185.   Woden325
182 They're speaking swedish chef-ese. It's close enough to get the job done, I suspect.
2007-10-13 21:12:28
186.   Mark T.R. Donohue
180 I didn't like them because

1) They played in the NL West while the Cubs played in the NL East, and that didn't make any sense because Cincinnati is way east of Chicago;

2) I loved the Bash Brothers and hated the Nasty Boys and the 1990 World Series was a huge bummer;

and

3) I was a really sensitive, quiet, bookish kid and around when I was 9 or 10 I became completely obsessed with Jackie Robinson (still am) and I could not accept the cognitive dissonance of the game Jackie supposedly liberated harboring an owner like Marge Schott.

2007-10-13 21:13:02
187.   KG16
does it seem strange to anyone else that Fenway has a digital clock but a manual scoreboard?
2007-10-13 21:13:48
188.   cinciwife
180 I am glad someone points out the depth in a fan. I have 2 although they seem to be opposite from yours. Yankees are my number one and Reds my number two (although my parents may be upset by the ranking since they did all that work in Cinci-conceiving I mean)
2007-10-13 21:14:28
189.   overkill94
187 Old school meets new school! I think McCarver needs to go on a diatribe about it.
2007-10-13 21:15:13
190.   cinciwife
179 yeah, that's the funny thing, it's so NOT hot!!
2007-10-13 21:18:42
191.   Mike Carminati
The plate umps have been extremely inconsistent with the outside calls this entire postseason. This guy's been better than most but just missed one.
2007-10-13 21:19:42
192.   Mark T.R. Donohue
191 It's unbelievable how much the league office misses Sandy Alderson.
2007-10-13 21:20:58
193.   Mark T.R. Donohue
Wow, Josh Barfield is black? What's the opposite of a Reggie Cleveland All-Star?
2007-10-13 21:21:15
194.   Mike Carminati
beautiful, you steal a base but take the bat out of the hands of possibly your best hitter.
2007-10-13 21:21:55
195.   KG16
I'm am so sick of hearing about how important Dave Roberts' stolen base was. I'm a huge fan of the stolen base, but for the love of all things holy and unholy, the Red Sox still had to win three more games after that.
2007-10-13 21:23:51
196.   Mike Carminati
195 It was Roberts' finest moment.
2007-10-13 21:24:12
197.   Bob Timmermann
193
Didn't you watch any Rockies-Padres games last year?
2007-10-13 21:24:58
198.   Mark T.R. Donohue
197 Apparently it never registered, much like Barfield's entire major league career to this point.
2007-10-13 21:25:38
199.   Josh Wilker
Bring on Borowski!!!!
2007-10-13 21:25:56
200.   Bluebleeder87
Mike Lowell has a pretty slick glove
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2007-10-13 21:26:15
201.   Mike Carminati
Who do you want up against Papelbon, Garko with men on first and second and two out or Martinez with a man on first and two outs? I'd rather have the lion eat the bear.
2007-10-13 21:26:30
202.   KG16
196 - I don't disagree, it was a great moment for Roberts.

There is a trend among Red Sox lore that annoys me. Roberts steal was in game 4. Buckner was in game 6. Fisk's home run was in game 6. These were not the moments that won or lost each series, there were more games to play after them.

2007-10-13 21:26:46
203.   Ken Arneson
Josh Barfield is the son of Jesse Barfield.
2007-10-13 21:26:53
204.   Bluebleeder87
199

Cleveland will hold there collective breath...

2007-10-13 21:27:54
205.   Bob Timmermann
Josh Barfield played in 18 games against the Rockies last year. And he hit four home runs against them.
2007-10-13 21:27:55
206.   Bluebleeder87
203

He's also have Venezuelian I think.

2007-10-13 21:28:12
207.   Mark T.R. Donohue
203 I guess that explains the additional mystery of why Josh was born in Venezuela.
2007-10-13 21:28:37
208.   Josh Wilker
195 : I can understand being sick of seeing that (i have no idea why they just showed it), but it was a HUGE turning point, plus the fact that it was a stolen base added luster: it was a skill the lumbering Red Sox had rarely been able to use. Mainly, the steal and the subsequent run scored just gave us this feeling: we're alive!!! You thought you killed us but we're alive!
2007-10-13 21:28:56
209.   Ken Arneson
If Josh Barfield had his father's arm, he'd be a shortstop.
2007-10-13 21:31:06
210.   Bob Timmermann
208
Especially with the franchise single-season stolen base leader being Tommy Harper.
2007-10-13 21:31:27
211.   Mark T.R. Donohue
The flipside of the Roberts thing is the problem the Rockies have with Willy Taveras: The Red Sox stayed alive and were eventually able to win the World Series because of the stolen base. Therefore stolen bases are good. Therefore we should play a guy who can steal bases ALL THE TIME and maybe two or three of them if we can get them. Doesn't matter if they have no other useful skills because stolen bases are super useful, just look at the Red Sox and Dave Roberts.
2007-10-13 21:32:01
212.   KG16
208 - dude, I'm a Dodger fan, I know the feeling, I remember exactly where I was as a ten year old kid listening to Gibson's home run in the 88 Series. It's likely just my annoyance with "The World According to ESPN"™. You'd think it was the most important play in the history of baseball.
2007-10-13 21:33:28
213.   Mike Carminati
Does Pedroia remind anyone else of Mark Lemke?
2007-10-13 21:34:19
214.   KG16
It's a shame tomorrow is a travel day, what with McCarver losing his voice.
2007-10-13 21:34:31
215.   Bob Timmermann
212
But really cool people think the most important play in any game or series of games happens at some moment that will only be realized later.

Game-ending plays are so easy to figure out.

2007-10-13 21:34:31
216.   Bluebleeder87
UGH, did you guys hear McCarver just now. get it out dude.
2007-10-13 21:34:33
217.   Mike Carminati
How often do you see a team pinch-run for its leadoff man?
2007-10-13 21:34:56
218.   joejoejoe
Pedroia is a highball hitter at the waist? McCarver is a good announcer off-mike.
2007-10-13 21:35:10
219.   Bob Timmermann
213
But isn't Pedroia supposed to be good?
2007-10-13 21:36:39
220.   joejoejoe
217 My impression is the Red Sox are big fans of pinch running. I think it's an underutilized aspect of the game and the Red Sox do it well with their roster construction and game management.
2007-10-13 21:38:05
221.   Mark T.R. Donohue
220 I agree completely. The part of the Roberts myth dumb teams forget is that Roberts' entire role on the team was to be a fast guy off the bench. Sign him or someone like him to be an everyday outfielder and you reap your own reward.
2007-10-13 21:38:09
222.   Bob Timmermann
The last team in the postseason to pinch-run for its leadoff hitter was ...

Boston on October 8, 2003 in Game 1 of the ALCS.

Damian Jackson pinch ran for Todd Walker in the 8th inning.

Gabe White picked him off.

2007-10-13 21:38:28
223.   KG16
Wow, I just looked at Ortiz's numbers after the c-word reared it's head in the game. Those number differences between Minnesota and Boston are absurd, is there any logical explanation for them?
2007-10-13 21:38:53
224.   Bluebleeder87
Hey Josh, is Youkilis a dead pull hitter or does he spray the ball around? he seems to have a pretty quick stroke.
2007-10-13 21:39:07
225.   Mark T.R. Donohue
223 Ball
Park
Effects.
2007-10-13 21:40:04
226.   Mike Carminati
220 221 Right, but my point is that you save those guys for the slow guys in the middle of your lineup, not your leadoff hitter, unless he's Brian Downing.
2007-10-13 21:40:23
227.   Bob Timmermann
There were 29 pinch runners for leadoff hitters in the regular season, although I would think some of them were for pitchers after double switches or late inning subs.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/shareit/F849

2007-10-13 21:41:07