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John Hiller/Red Sox-Rockies Game 4 Chat
2007-10-28 15:36
by Josh Wilker
 

 
If you tune into the fourth game of the World Series between the Colorado Rockies and the Boston Red Sox tonight (FOX, 5:29 MT), you're sure to hear a couple subjects hammered into the ground, namely 1) both teams have recent experience battling back from seemingly insurmountable deficits and 2) both starting pitchers have recent experience battling back from serious health issues. The Rockies, in an 0-3 hole, a deficit that only the 2004 Red Sox have ever been able to overcome, will presumably gird themselves tonight with the knowledge that they staved off almost certain elimination from playoff contention by going on an epic winning jag that began in mid-September and didn't end until they saw Josh Beckett standing on the mound in the first game of the World Series. As for the other of tonight's plotlines, Boston's starter Jon Lester was diagnosed with cancer at the end of last season, and Colorado's starter, Aaron Cook, who has been sidelined since August of this season with a strained side muscle, had his 2004 season end when blod clots were discovered in his lungs.

Their inspirational comebacks (which caused Clint Hurdle to gush in an article today by AP reporter Jimmy Golen that "God's fingerprints are all over a lot of things") follow in the footsteps of a hurler from the Cardboard Gods era, John Hiller. Hiller was sidelined for the entire 1971 season after suffering a heart attack, but in 1973 he authored perhaps the greatest season any bullpen hand has ever had (his 31 Win Shares is the single-season record for a reliever).

We never know when we're going to be struck down, so I guess we should never believe we're doomed, no matter what the circumstances, because, you know, who knows?

                                                     *    *    *

The lineups (courtesy of Extra Bases):

Red Sox
Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
Dustin Pedroia, 2B
David Ortiz, 1B
Manny Ramirez, LF
Mike Lowell, 3B
J.D. Drew, RF
Jason Varitek, C
Julio Lugo, SS
Jon Lester, LHP

Rockies
Kazuo Matsui, 2B
Troy Tulowitzki, SS
Matt Holliday, LF
Todd Helton, 1B
Garrett Atkins, 3B
Ryan Spilborghs, CF
Brad Hawpe, RF
Yorvit Torrealba, C
Aaron Cook, P

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2007-10-28 16:20:12
1.   Bluebleeder87
Hiller was sidelined for the entire 1971 season after suffering a heart attack

It's amazing anybody can come back from such a thing let alone pitch again in the MAJORS, wow, that's pretty amazing. But I'm sure it wasn't a massive hart attack, it's still very very impressive though.

2007-10-28 16:21:40
2.   Bluebleeder87
I'm still kind of P.O'd at Hurdle though (I gotta focus my rath on somebody) let's hope the Rockies at least win one.
2007-10-28 16:27:58
3.   Bob Timmermann
Jonny Gomes of Tampa Bay had a heart attack when he was 21 or 22.
2007-10-28 16:41:22
4.   ToyCannon
Well, which year was it? You've trained us to expect exact answers from you, not 21 or 22. And how baseball players have had heart attacks while playing? Which teams players have had the most heart attacks. Does Tommy Lasorda really give heart attacks? If so, to whom?
2007-10-28 16:42:45
5.   Suffering Bruin
Where did they take that picture?

Notice the tilt, as if the earth has given up on this gravity crap, the shot taken just at the moment Hiller's attention moves from home plate to gazing toward the direction of the tilt with a "what the hell..." kind of look, just before realizing that perhaps armageddon is upon us.

Then there's the background--nothing but God and green grass beyond the infield dirt except for what appears to be a humble subdivision or trailer park in deep, deep center field. One wonders what games were played here, what joys took place (baseball fields always have joys) and also, what motivated someone to look at a gigantic expanse of land where hardly a sentient being resides and and make the decision to build a baseball field.

Perhaps it was because nothing else was being done with the land and our field designer thought like most of us that a baseball diamond can improve any patch of acreage. Perhaps the idea of a field started out as a noble idea that was ultimately given up on, a dream deferred by any number of things and in disappointment, left behind was the infield dirt and the barely scuffed bases. Either way, the creator of this field in whatever location this is could've hardly known that a player from the gosh-darned major leagues would one day stride the mound ("My mound? You're kidding!") for a photograph seen by thousands.

Unless of course it's just a drawing of a ballfield with Hiller's picture pasted on it. That, of course, would change everything I've written here.

2007-10-28 17:01:22
6.   Bluebleeder87
3

I just finished reading Gomes Wikipedia, is 8% body fat a lot? I'm just glad theres no history of hart attack in my family. Gomes looks kind of chubby these days.

2007-10-28 17:16:26
7.   Bob Timmermann
So no one since the 1970 Reds has won a game when down 3-0 in the World Series.

In 1971, I collected baseball cards for the first time and the World Series Game 4 card had the headline "Reds Stay Alive" with a picture that didn't really reflect the big event of the game, which was a 3-run homer by Lee May in the 8th.

The Game 2 card had the headline "Buford Goes 2 for 4!"

2007-10-28 17:17:02
8.   Bluebleeder87
There seems to be a trend with the country singers singing the National Anthem. Is it a right of passage to have wood in year last name if your a country singer.
2007-10-28 17:19:44
9.   Bob Timmermann
1910 and 1937 were the other World Series where the team down 3-0 actually won one game.
2007-10-28 17:33:10
10.   Bob Timmermann
Bob Moose was the last pitcher to start a postseason game without a September start.

He started Game 6 of the 1971 World Series. His last start that year had been on August 31.

Bob Moose died on his 29th birthday.

2007-10-28 17:43:48
11.   Bluebleeder87
10

he was on his way to his 29th birthday party, no less.

2007-10-28 17:45:37
12.   Josh Wilker
7 : I liked those special World Series cards. They seem to have stopped making them after '77, I think.
2007-10-28 17:49:52
13.   Bob Timmermann
In the 1971 World Series, the Pirates used six different pitchers to start the first six games.

Steve Blass was the only guy to pitch two.

Moose was starting Game 6 in part because Game 1 starter Dock Ellis had a sore elbow.

2007-10-28 17:56:07
14.   Bob Timmermann
The 1971 World Series is the first one I can remember watching.

Four of the starting pitchers in that series have passed away: Moose, Dave McNally, Pat Dobson, and Nelson Briles.

Additionally, other players who played in that series who have passed on are: Roberto Clemente, Bob Miller, Willie Stargell, Mark Belanger, and Elrod Hendricks.

2007-10-28 17:58:15
15.   Bob Timmermann
Not a "nice piece of hitting" by Atkins.
2007-10-28 18:08:37
16.   Josh Wilker
I always kind of confused Steve Blass, Bob Moose, and Bob Veale. I know one of them "went Ankiel" with his control of the strike zone (I think Blass), one of them wild-pitched in the winning run in a huge game (Veale?).
2007-10-28 18:10:35
17.   spudrph
Blass is the one who "went Blass"-there is a memorable, really touching, Angell piece about it.
2007-10-28 18:11:32
18.   Bob Timmermann
Rick Ankiel came down with "Steve Blass Syndrome."

Moose threw the wild pitch that scored George Foster with the winning run in the 1972 NLCS.

2007-10-28 18:13:16
19.   spudrph
I would say 2007 is better, actually.
2007-10-28 18:15:30
20.   Josh Wilker
The 2004 team had better starting pitching, top to bottom. Also, the 2004 team didn't have the 2004 team as supportive history.
2007-10-28 18:20:48
21.   Bluebleeder87
ManRam should have cached that ball...
2007-10-28 18:22:51
22.   Bluebleeder87
My naive mind thought it would take the Red Sox at least another 70,80 years to win another WS, instead it's only gonna take 3 years.
2007-10-28 18:22:52
23.   Bob Timmermann
All this discussion of Cook's blood clots make me think that the wheezing I'm experiencing is a symptom of them.

Of course, I've had asthma all my life and the wheezing has gone on and off for about 36 years.

But I'm a hypochondriac. Given enough time, I will develop symptoms of Lester's cancer.

2007-10-28 18:23:10
24.   spudrph
Well, 2004 fully healthy you might have a point, but 2004 Schilling-Pedro-Lowe vs. 2007 Beckett-Schilling-Dice? I take the latter. I don't know. It's a BS question anyway.
2007-10-28 18:25:51
25.   spudrph
20 That's true, though. 2004 was more of an exorcism, whereas this team is just kind of a good team wearing the Boston uniform.
2007-10-28 18:28:28
26.   Bluebleeder87
It's gonna be 20 years for us Dodgers fans next year, that ain't cool man...
2007-10-28 18:28:57
27.   spudrph
23 Well, my personal procedure I had gives me some sympathy for Mike Lowell's medical history.
2007-10-28 18:30:23
28.   Bob Timmermann
22
The Red Sox have won their fair share of WS. They just aren't distributed evenly.

They won in 1903, 1912, 1915, 1916, and 1918 before winning in 2004.

Perhaps a nice distribution like the Braves is best: 1914, 1957, 1995.

2007-10-28 18:30:50
29.   spudrph
5 Very well written, sir, BTW.
2007-10-28 18:32:01
30.   Bob Timmermann
27
My father had testicular cancer around the same age as I am now. He made it through fine.

The pancreatic cancer was what got him. Actually it caused a blood clot in his lungs.

Which brings me back to Aaron Cook.

2007-10-28 18:35:07
31.   spudrph
You know, I just realized something-instead of searching for my own link when I wanted to check Baseball Reference, I could have just clicked on Josh's Baseball Reference link.

DUH.

2007-10-28 18:35:41
32.   Josh Wilker
Where did the power go? No home runs since the first batter of game one. I guess they're really bringing back the Patsy Dougherty/Harry Hooper era in all its facets.
2007-10-28 18:37:50
33.   spudrph
30 My sympathies.

I'm just having surgery related discomfort. Thank goodness it's nothing like that.

2007-10-28 18:38:40
34.   spudrph
32 Without all the racism.
2007-10-28 18:40:43
35.   Bob Timmermann
The alltime low for home runs total in a World Series is 1.

The Braves hit the only homer in the 1914 series against the A's. Hank Gowdy hit in the top of the 10th with the Braves trailing 4-2. They scratched out another run and then won in the 12th.

2007-10-28 18:41:20
36.   Bob Timmermann
I should say the Braves were trailing were 4-2 in the bottom of the 10th.

It's hard to be trailing in the top of an extra inning.

2007-10-28 18:41:49
37.   das411
So if this series ties that record Bob, how long until we start hearing the discussion of Worst! World! Series! Ever!!! ?
2007-10-28 18:43:13
38.   Bob Timmermann
The Boston Braves played their 1914 World Series games at Fenway Park. In 1915, the Red Sox played their World Series games at Braves Field (which had just opened) because it was bigger than Fenway.

The Red Sox played the 1916 World Series at Braves Field also, but in 1918 moved back to Fenway.

2007-10-28 18:44:35
39.   Bob Timmermann
37
But we've had TWO home runs in this series. One by Pedroia and one by Holliday.

People are already calling this the worst World Series ever. The national baseball media has turned into a collective version of Comic Book Guy.

2007-10-28 18:47:12
40.   spudrph
I have to say I didn't expect THIS from Lester.
2007-10-28 18:48:56
41.   Pedro
Anyone else find Jon Lester's attitude kind of annoying? You're 23 boy, and aren't good enough yet to question the ump. Josh, I hope you win for your sake but I don't think I like Jon Lester.
2007-10-28 18:49:31
42.   Josh Wilker
35 : "Hank Gowdy hit in the top of the 10th with the Braves trailing 4-2."

Hank Gowdy is the answer to the trivia question on the back of the John Hiller card featured in today's post. Anybody care to hazard a guess at the question? (Hint: It has to do with Gowdy's off-the-field doings.)

2007-10-28 18:50:06
43.   Bob Timmermann
42
I will not answer since I have that card.
2007-10-28 18:54:17
44.   Bob Timmermann
If Julio Lugo is named the WS MVP, a list of mine is getting updated.
2007-10-28 18:54:35
45.   spudrph
41 See, I don't agree. And not just because he's wearing the laundry I'm rooting for.

If it's a strike, it's a strike, whether you're Curt Schilling on start #400 or Jon Lester on start #4.

The same thing with the hitters-if it is waist high and crosses the edge of the plate, it's a strike, no matter how good Tim McCarver says you are.

2007-10-28 18:57:40
46.   spudrph
I did that once in high school (struck out bunting). Embarassing.
2007-10-28 18:57:50
47.   Bluebleeder87
the best card I got from my collecting days is a Randy Johnson rookie card, I wonder if it's worth anything or if it will be worth anything in the future, should I buy a frame for it so it won't get damaged? I think the edges are a little damaged though. I also have a Garry Sheffield rook card with the weird front teeth (chewing tobacco weird, yuk!) but my personal favorite card in my collection is Eric Davis '87 card.
2007-10-28 18:58:50
48.   spudrph
42 Who is the only player with the first name of a Hall of Fame outfielder and the last name of a Hall of fame announcer?
2007-10-28 19:00:09
49.   spudrph
48 Yes, I know there isn't any such thing as a Hall of Fame announcer.
2007-10-28 19:01:28
50.   Josh Wilker
The Hank Gowdy question has to do with his service for his country.
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2007-10-28 19:02:27
51.   spudrph
Your will. Our medicines.
Your money. Our pockets. Our chalet in Vail.
Our champagne cocktails on the veranda.
2007-10-28 19:03:12
52.   spudrph
50 Oh, that's right. I was just being snarky and stupid.
2007-10-28 19:03:23
53.   Bob Timmermann
49
The annual award given out by the BASKETBALL Hall of Fame to the media is the Curt Gowdy Award.
2007-10-28 19:04:49
54.   spudrph
I had forgotten he served. Did he lose his life overseas? I can't recall.
2007-10-28 19:05:34
55.   Bluebleeder87
50

I cheated & looked it up.

2007-10-28 19:05:35
56.   Bob Timmermann
Hank Gowdy died in 1966.
2007-10-28 19:06:22
57.   spudrph
Smart piece of hitting by Cook.
2007-10-28 19:07:18
58.   spudrph
56 Did Gowdy serve in two wars?
2007-10-28 19:08:51
59.   spudrph
Helluva job by Lester, for sure.
2007-10-28 19:09:38
60.   spudrph
This ad with all the people helping each other...was it filmed on Earth?
2007-10-28 19:10:06
61.   Josh Wilker
58 : Ding-ding-ding! Nice job.

Here's the question:

"Which player served in World War I and World War II?"

2007-10-28 19:10:49
62.   Bluebleeder87
54

he was the first ML'er to join WW1 with the Ohio National Guard. He went on speaking tours for a while detailing his efforts. He also committed a costly error in the '23 or '24 fall classic apparently that lead to the Senators winning the series.

2007-10-28 19:10:53
63.   Bob Timmermann
58
Gowdy was in the Armed Forces in two wars. I don't know what sort of action he saw in either of them, especially WWII. Gowdy was 52 when that started.
2007-10-28 19:11:38
64.   das411
Does anyone else think this series is looking more and more like some sort of evil hybrid of 2005, 2004...and 1998?
2007-10-28 19:12:27
65.   spudrph
63 Cool. Williams was too, of course, but the WWI/WWII double play is a lot harder to manage.
2007-10-28 19:13:36
66.   Bob Timmermann
In the 1924 World Series, Gowdy failed to catch a foul pop that would have gotten the Giants out off the bat of Muddy Ruel in the 12th inning of Game 7. He dropped the ball after tripping over his own mask.

Ruel followed with a double. Then there was an error on shortstop Freddie Lindstrom and Earl McNeely drove in Ruel with the winning run on a bad hop double to left.

2007-10-28 19:20:12
67.   spudrph
If the Rockies don't put some kind of a threat together here, I think that's pretty much it.
2007-10-28 19:23:37
68.   Bluebleeder87
I just came to the conclusion that ManRam annoys me. Just wear a helmet that fits for crying out loud!!
2007-10-28 19:24:59
69.   Bluebleeder87
Aaron Cook is pitching a very gutsy game so far.
2007-10-28 19:29:14
70.   Bluebleeder87
DelCarmen was playing play station in '04 when the BoSox first won the WS. According to McCarver.
2007-10-28 19:31:43
71.   xaphor
63 . Baseball Almanac has brief descriptions of his war time exploits. He saw front line action in WWI fighting in the trenches of France. WWII was a vacation by comparison as he served as an officer at Fort Benning, Georgia.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/treasure/autont2002b.shtml

2007-10-28 19:33:00
72.   Bob Timmermann
So is Aaron Cook playing the role of Jason Marquis this year?
2007-10-28 19:33:03
73.   Bluebleeder87
Rockies in 6 is all but a memory now...
2007-10-28 19:33:43
74.   Josh Wilker
Lowell!!!!
2007-10-28 19:33:48
75.   spudrph
Hurdle does know you are allowed to change pitchers, right?
2007-10-28 19:36:19
76.   Linkmeister
The worst of this is that from now till next WS we'll have to hear all the sports pundits say that it proves the American League is the better league.

What it really proves is that eight days off throws off hitters' timing terribly.

2007-10-28 19:37:10
77.   Bluebleeder87
Judging from Timlins performance last night I don't think he strikes confidence for Bostonians around the globe....
2007-10-28 19:39:32
78.   Bluebleeder87
76

According to Bob T. & Mike Carminati its a myth (they wrote about it on there blogs) & I tend to agree with the notion.

2007-10-28 19:39:41
79.   Bob Timmermann
76
The only thing you can authoritatively say is that the Red Sox were better than the Rockies for four straight games.

But we love to extrapolate.

2007-10-28 19:39:47
80.   xaphor
76 . We heard that all of this year with the Cardinals taking it in '06.
2007-10-28 19:42:41
81.   Mike Carminati
Hi, I'm just checking in. It may have been covered but Clint Hurdle's moves or lack thereof are killing this team.

Lonestar??? Who the frig is that? This middle-America country bs is killing me.

2007-10-28 19:43:05
82.   spudrph
76 Well, of course a short series doesn't prove anything.

But I firmly believe the American League is the better of the two leagues.

You honestly believe it's the layoff? Really?

2007-10-28 19:43:19
83.   Bob Timmermann
MVP candidates?

Ellsbury?
Pedroia?
Lowell?
Lugo?
Papelbon?

2007-10-28 19:45:20
84.   dianagramr
SI.COM reporting that A-Rod has informed Yankes he is opting out ...

(yawn)

2007-10-28 19:45:47
85.   Mike Carminati
82 Agreed, does anyone think Brad Hawpe would have 29 HRs in the AL? His ABs look like a collection of all the bad Shawn Green ABs.
2007-10-28 19:46:28
86.   spudrph
81 I know what you mean. Watching television just emphasizes to me how out of touch and clueless I am. No wonder I never understand what anyone says.
2007-10-28 19:47:20
87.   Mike Carminati
83 Probably Pedroia, but that's without looking at the numbers.
2007-10-28 19:47:27
88.   spudrph
83 Pedroia for me.
2007-10-28 19:49:19
89.   Bluebleeder87
Hawpe finally has something to cheer about.
2007-10-28 19:49:21
90.   Mike Carminati
86 I'm fine being out of touch with most of America when it comes to country (pop) music, reality shows, and NASCAR.

See I pissed off Hawpe. There you go.

2007-10-28 19:50:08
91.   Bob Timmermann
85
He's a reverse Cassandra! He's an Ardnassac!
2007-10-28 19:51:44
92.   spudrph
81 Agreed. I seems like Hurdle makes moves, but always at the wrong time, or with the wrong guy.

It's depth that makes the difference, I think. It doesn't matter so much if you have a Jamey Carroll on your team in the NL. You really can't afford that in the AL.

2007-10-28 19:52:07
93.   Bob Timmermann
You can't keep giving the WS MVP award to puny infielders, can you?

If need be, I can post something about David Eckstein on The Griddle and get about five people complaining about him within ten minutes.

2007-10-28 19:52:18
94.   Eric Stephen
McCarver, as a replay showed Hawpe hitting a fastball below the belt (or belt-high at it's highest):

"The Red Sox have been throwing Brad Hawpe high fastballs all series, and Brad finally caught up to one."

Does McCarver even watch the games he's announcing?

2007-10-28 19:52:24
95.   Mike Carminati
Well, that was off the crappy right-handed middle reliever who probably shouldn't have been in there. He is still batting under .200 for the series, right?
2007-10-28 19:54:05
96.   Mr Customer
93 Hell, I can start complaining now, if you'd like.
2007-10-28 19:54:37
97.   Suffering Bruin
Checking in while grading many, many essays...

Oh, what the hey, I'll talk about the essays I'm grading.

1) My students are no longer allowed to use "you" in their essays.

2) Ditto with "all" "everything" "everyone knows" "Of course it's true" and "I agree to a certain extent."

3) Every student will know verb agreement by Christmas.

4) Every student will know the difference between there, their and they're by Tuesday.

5) Did I mention I'm banning the word you?

2007-10-28 19:54:51
98.   Mike Carminati
92 And having Cook bat for himself was inexcusable no matter if he did get a bunt base hit. He then sticks with the guy through the seventh to allow the Lowell HR. I mean their middle relief cannot be as bad as Hurdle seems to think it is, can it?
2007-10-28 19:54:58
99.   Bob Timmermann
Hurdle isn't managing any differently than he did in the regular season.

Which could be his problem. Like the 2001 DBacks, the Rockies made it to the World Series in spite of their manager not because of their manager.

2007-10-28 19:55:27
100.   Josh Wilker
Thanks, Manny Del-cave-in.
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2007-10-28 19:56:12
101.   Bob Timmermann
97
So your saying that they're is no there their?

Everybody knows that.

2007-10-28 19:56:59
102.   Mike Carminati
97 I thought as long as students could make their X their HS career was set. Or are we talking college?
2007-10-28 19:57:24
103.   Suffering Bruin
100 Just curious because I enjoy your work. What did you think of 5 ? I don't know if I was overwriting or what but that picture of Hiller really brought out the writer in me.

Believe me, I'm better at grading papers and developing students than doing the actual writing. So I've been told...

2007-10-28 19:57:59
104.   Mike Carminati
99 Wow, and I thought Charlie "I Need a Friggin'" Manuel was bad.
2007-10-28 19:59:38
105.   Mike Carminati
That is the most ridiculous bullpen I have seen since Craig Swan grew lettuce in the Mets one in the early '80s.
2007-10-28 20:02:08
106.   Suffering Bruin
101 Ha ha. It is to laugh. :)

102 It's high school. I'm at a school that is intensely standards based. Basically, my students who can write at the freshman college level are getting A's and B's. If they will likely be able to write at the college level, they will get a "C". Anything lower is D and F.

I'm shortcutting it but that's basically what I do.

2007-10-28 20:04:30
107.   Mike Carminati
Does Tulowitzki look like the same player as in the first two rounds? Again it might be an indication of the talent gap between leagues or just a bad series, but he has looked awful.
2007-10-28 20:05:59
108.   Josh Wilker
103 : Yeah, it was great! I was going to reply with a comment that had at least a fraction of some thought in it but my thoughts are a little scattered tonight, so I let it slide and just continued pacing around my living room.
2007-10-28 20:06:23
109.   Mike Carminati
Great commercial: Am Idol does epitomize everything great in baseball.
2007-10-28 20:08:08
110.   Suffering Bruin
Brian "ball-meets-bat" Fuentes.
2007-10-28 20:09:25
111.   Mike Carminati
Why is Hurdle going back to Fuentes after last night? Does this man even watch the games? reminds me of Jim Fregosi's devotion to a worn-out Mitch Williams in 1993.
2007-10-28 20:09:39
112.   Suffering Bruin
Alex Rodriguez will opt out.

Wow.

2007-10-28 20:10:40
113.   Mike Carminati
Boy, Steinbrenner's sons really screwed up, huh? A-Rod, Rivera, etc. will leave en masse.
2007-10-28 20:11:50
114.   das411
Wow, yeah let's talk allllll about ARod, like we will during the whole long awful offseason, before the game is even over. Yep. Thank you Rosenthal.
2007-10-28 20:12:45
115.   Josh Wilker
It galls me that the telecast is all A-Rod right now. Isn't there a game going on?
2007-10-28 20:12:57
116.   fordprefect
97
What grade, if you please?
-I'm still trying to get my 14-yr.-old to that writing level (girls on the brain I suppose)
2007-10-28 20:13:07
117.   Mike Carminati
Why can't the Sox keep Lowell and put A-Rod back at his natural position, SS? Julio Lugo can go back to beating his wife.
2007-10-28 20:14:08
118.   Bob Timmermann
111
Brian Fuentes is the "8th Inning Reliever" and since it's the 8th inning, Fuentes must pitch.

It's obvious!

2007-10-28 20:16:05
119.   Mike Carminati
118 Yeah, it's just unbeleivable that that is the depth of the decision-making for a major-league manager.

OK, they have shut up about A-Rod now.

2007-10-28 20:17:32
120.   Mike Carminati
Does Buck think it's a double-switch because Crisp is coming in for the Sox and Carpas for the Rockies?
2007-10-28 20:20:18
121.   Bob Timmermann
Jamey Carroll replaced Matsui.
2007-10-28 20:22:10
122.   fordprefect
97
Ah,well, never mind.
2007-10-28 20:26:52
123.   bhsportsguy
If Gagne comes in, no matter what happens, Red Sox Nation will never forgive Francona
2007-10-28 20:27:10
124.   Mike Carminati
Ortiz and Ramirez are both out. I guess the Sox don't want to Bill Buckner around out three.
2007-10-28 20:27:53
125.   Bob Timmermann
Have I not been paying attention or has Fox opted to not run ads for just one show over and over and over during this postseason?

There's been nothing like "Frank TV" ads or the previous campaigns to promote the debuts of "House" or "Skin."

Just the Taco Bell shilling.

2007-10-28 20:28:13
126.   Mike Carminati
Gagne is up? How democratic of them.
2007-10-28 20:29:44
127.   Mike Carminati
125 And the commercial wher the jogger runs into the car. I think Fox does, however, have their act together better than TBS.
2007-10-28 20:33:19
128.   Bob Timmermann
127
Fox has the advantage of having more stuff to promote than TBS.
2007-10-28 20:35:17
129.   Bob Timmermann
So how many runs does Corpas give up in the 9th now?
2007-10-28 20:40:55
130.   Mike Carminati
He has to give up five for this to be the most lopsided Ws of all time.
2007-10-28 20:42:35
131.   Mike Carminati
Buck just pointed out that Kielty's HR is the difference right now. It might be a bit facile, but it points out why Cook should have been gone before he allowed that HR.
2007-10-28 20:48:05
132.   Mike Carminati
That Hawpe ball was not "well hit" as Buck said. It was off the end of the bat, but it was his second best AB in the WS. That 0-1 ball, a 95 MPH fastball that Hawpe just couldn't catch up with was emblematic of his series.
2007-10-28 20:51:44
133.   Mike Carminati
Hurdle pulled a double-switch to move a batter (Carroll) up one spot?!? Man!
2007-10-28 20:51:44
134.   Mike Carminati
Hurdle pulled a double-switch to move a batter (Carroll) up one spot?!? Man!
2007-10-28 20:53:39
135.   Suffering Bruin
122 My apologies... I've been off-line for the last hour or so. I teach 12th grade and a 9th grade reading intervention program.
2007-10-28 20:55:22
136.   Suffering Bruin
Hey, we haven't heard sergeant/major tonight have we? I mean, thank heavens for small favors, right?
2007-10-28 20:56:32
137.   Mike Carminati
136 They'd rather spend four or five innings talking about A-Rod.
2007-10-28 20:58:31
138.   Bob Timmermann
The Rockies aren't rallying here unless Vic Davalillo pinch hits and lays down a drag bunt.
2007-10-28 20:58:32
139.   Suffering Bruin
IIRC, Boston started their comeback against the Yankees in '04 by winning over Rivera in game 4.

I'm just sayin...

2007-10-28 20:59:39
140.   Suffering Bruin
IIRC, the Red Sox got off the mat in '04 against the Yankees but beating Rivera in game 4.

I'm just sayin...

2007-10-28 21:00:09
141.   Suffering Bruin
Aw, sheesh! Double post!! Now it's really over.
2007-10-28 21:00:46
142.   Mike Carminati
Of course, Carroll wil come to the plate. Hurdle is barely awake.
2007-10-28 21:00:56
143.   bhsportsguy
Somehow seeing J.D. Drew smiling might be worth all of this nonsense.
2007-10-28 21:01:25
144.   Suffering Bruin
Why is Carrol batting?

Never mind...

2007-10-28 21:02:22
145.   Mike Carminati
Hurdle is PH-ing for Corpas? How forward thinking!
2007-10-28 21:02:42
146.   Suffering Bruin
Story of the series right there.
2007-10-28 21:02:45
147.   Bob Timmermann
Greg Luzinski would not have caught that.
2007-10-28 21:02:48
148.   Daniel Zappala
I would have liked to see Manny try to catch that. Drats.
2007-10-28 21:02:53
149.   bhsportsguy
As opposed to closers who throw breaking balls that are not strikes.

Manny would not have caught that ball, probably.

2007-10-28 21:03:39
150.   bhsportsguy
147 So true.
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2007-10-28 21:03:52
151.   Suffering Bruin
I would rather lose in seven than be swept.

I would rather lose in six or five than get swept.

2007-10-28 21:04:34
152.   Mike Carminati
Makes Tito look like a genius.
2007-10-28 21:05:27
153.   Suffering Bruin
It's time for "Fox goes to seventeen up-close cutaways between pitches..."
2007-10-28 21:06:01
154.   Mike Carminati
Donnie Moore time
2007-10-28 21:06:04
155.   brer Ian
Signed, sealed, delivered.
2007-10-28 21:06:15
156.   brer Ian
Signed, sealed, delivered.
2007-10-28 21:06:16
157.   Mike Carminati
Donnie Moore time???

Nope.

2007-10-28 21:06:38
158.   Daniel Zappala
Well, that was a bummer of a series, but congrats to the Red Sox and especially Josh.
2007-10-28 21:07:51
159.   Mike Carminati
Baseball has a a lot to answer for here. All but two series ended in sweeps. The ratings were down at least before the WS. A lot of off days.

Will they finally go to a 7-G first round?

2007-10-28 21:08:08
160.   Bob Timmermann
Time again to sing:

http://tinyurl.com/3dhpwn

Congrats to the Red Sox!

2007-10-28 21:08:38
161.   Suffering Bruin
Cheers to a gracious host who has to be smiling inside and out right now.

Congratulations, Josh. Thanks for sharing your space. And, well, yeah... congratulations Red Sox.

2007-10-28 21:09:27
162.   Pedro
Congrats Josh, you deserve it. At least we won't have to watch any more cutaways of John Henry's WASP face.
2007-10-28 21:09:36
163.   Suffering Bruin
Good night, all. Until next season... hell, we'll be talking baseball long before then, right?

Damn straight. Sleep well.

2007-10-28 21:09:42
164.   Bob Timmermann
If I had to choose between getting a guaranteed win on the road or taking a chance to win at home, I would take the guaranteed win on the road.
2007-10-28 21:11:58
165.   Josh Wilker
life is good

much thanks everyone, it's been a lot of fun

Papelbon for series MVP

2007-10-28 21:12:33
166.   Eric Stephen
I miss the days of the inside locker room celebrations.
2007-10-28 21:13:52
167.   bhsportsguy
ESPN is happy that after tonight and the obligatory showing of the parade in Boston, they can start reporting on the Yankees new manager and where will A-Rod end up.
2007-10-28 21:20:02
168.   Eric Stephen
That's a very elaborate Papelbon poster in the stands, with moving parts and everything!
2007-10-28 21:24:17
169.   Boo Wolfe
Who won? That's the question from Northern CA listeners to Jon Miller and Joe Morgan on KNBR 1050, "the sports leader." The money grubbing KNBR management pulled the plug on the broadcast at 9pm to air a series of ads during the entire bottom of the ninth inning. Does MLB license broadcasts of partial games?
2007-10-28 22:48:28
170.   Benjamin Miracord
169 Red Sox, 4-3.

Just didn't want to leave you dangling in case those commercials are still running. :-)

2007-10-29 10:10:12
171.   Bluebleeder87
Congrats Josh!!
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