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Some odds and ends from The New Bill James Historical Abstract on the players discussed in the recent Cardboard Gods poll on Best Everyday Player from the 1970s:
Though Bill James does not designate a best player of the decade, he does identify the winner of our poll, Joe Morgan, as the best player in four straight years, 1973 through 1976. Only Honus Wagner in the first decade of the twentieth century had a longer unbroken string of dominance (in James' estimation the Dutchman was tops in baseball for seven straight years).
Of the players considered in our poll, Joe Morgan ranks the highest in James' all-time list of players, at 15. Two players at the tail end of their careers in the 1970s rank higher, Hank Aaron at 12 and Willie Mays at 3. Other players getting votes in our poll were ranked thusly, starting at the back: 82. Willie Stargell (James' choice for "Most Admirable Superstar"); 64. Rod Carew; 57. Reggie Jackson (James' choice for "Least Admirable Superstar"); 44. Johnny Bench; 33. Pete Rose.
Ken Singleton was the only player receiving support in the poll who was not ranked in the top 100 by James, but he is ranked by James as the eighteenth best rightfielder of all time. Singleton and Stargell are the only two of our players who did not make it onto James' major league all-star team for the decade, passed over in the outfield in favor of Bobby Murcer, Reggie Jackson, and Bobby Bonds.
Pete Rose is on that all-star team as a utility man, which would seem to make him the most vulnerable member of the squad if not for James' high estimation of him in the overall rankings. That ranking made me feel a little better about spending so much verbiage lobbying for more consideration for Rose as one of the very best players of the decade. I'm sure part of my inspiration in doing so was reading, on some earlier occasion, the rhetorical question Bill James uses to sum up his thoughts on Pete Rose's ranking in the pantheon of the game: "Which is better to start a pennant race with, a guy that you think might be the MVP, or a guy that you know is going to hustle every day and get 200 hits?"
It would be best to combine all three and come up with something like Stan Musial.
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Stan the Man was amazing. He's one of those when you build the all-time team and he's not there you say "what the hey" we have to make some room for Stan the Man.
"I've Got More Action Than My Man John Woo
And I've Got Mad Hits Like I Was Rod Carew."
"There's more to me than you'll ever know
And I've got more hits than Sadaharu Oh"
Carew's batting average for the decade: .343. Carew is also the only player from the poll besides Morgan to garner a Bill James Player of the Year designation, breaking Morgan's run with his fantastic 1977 campaign. (His other Players of the Year for the decade were Yaz in 1970, Joe Torre in 1971, Dick Allen in 1972, Dave Parker in 1978, and Fred Lynn in 1979; I dispute his choice for 1978 on the basis that Parker's slight advantage in OPS+ over Jim Rice--166 to 157--was erased by Rice's significant advantage--163 to 148--in games played.)
Yes. Damn it. Yes.
Being a (semi-stats-literate) Jim Rice fan these days, it's kind of like being someone coming into possession of an old girlfriend's brutally honest, disillusioning journals. As Lucinda Williams once sang, "I thought I was in heaven, but I was only dreaming."
I'm not really much of a Beastie Boys fan, so I had to look up the "Hey Ladies" reference to see that it was from Paul's Boutique, earlier than "Sure Shot" from Ill Communication, 8 years later. To call the couplet derivative, when it refers back to their earlier work, is possibly the wrong word, but I get your point.
However, Oh wasn't on the list of players we were considering for the Cardboard Gods decade-player. Besides, I like the phrasing "mad hits like" better than "more hits than", and "hits like I was Rod Carew" is more appropriate, since Carew was known for his high batting average, while Oh was known for his 800 dingers...
I do hope you like the fact that I used that lyric in making my choice!
2) Great to see someone referencing the Beasties and in the exact same manner that I strove to do just a week or less ago. Too bad I didn't put the quote in, thank you Brent the Dodger Fan.
3) Glad to see some love for Stan the Man.
4) (and the only real, worthwhile point of this post) Where exactly does Stan the Man rank in the all time players list that James proposes? (Sorry, I don't have the book and I just spent too much money for my books for this last semester (yes, last semester, I'm graduating and there isn't a day that that notion doesn't send shivers down my spine.)).
5) Thanks for posting something for me to read whilst drunk tonight, Cardboard Gods has been an enlightening experience.
11 : Aw, I was just kidding with the "derivative" remark. Both great lines, both great songs. Sure Shot is probably my all-time favorite Beasties song, and Hey Ladies is from my favorite Beastie's album. (And I agree that Carew makes more sense with reference to "hits.")
12 : James ranks Musial 10th behind, from the top, Ruth, Wagner, Mays, Oscar Charleston, Cobb, Mantle, Ted Williams, Walter Johnson, and Josh Gibson.
C - Josh Gibson
1b- Lou Gehrig
2b- Joe Morgan
3b- Mike Schmidt
ss- Honus Wagner
lf- Oscar Charleston
cf- Willie Mays
rf- Babe Ruth
sp- Walter Johnson
I'll pass on playing against these guys.
16 : And don't forget the Royals and Phillies.
1970 - Reds
1971- Pirates
1972 - Reds
1973 - Mets
1974 - Dodgers
1975 - Reds
1976 - Reds
1977 - Dodgers
1978 - Dodgers
1979 - Pirates
Only 2 teams were able to keep the Reds or Dodgers out of the World Series during this decade. Seems to me the Reds did about as good as you can do. The Dodgers didn't lose a playoff series during the decade. If they made the playoffs they were headed to the World Series. The great Philly teams couldn't get past the Reds or Dodgers losing 3 straight conference playoff series from 1976-1978. The Giants in 1971 were the only other team to come out of the Western Divison during the 1970's besides the Dodgers or Reds. For baseball fans was the 1970's the greatest generation of baseball?
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